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"I've changed the wording of the page you're referencing. Short Term Release, guessing you mean Short Term Support, has also been referred to as Standard Term Support"
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Then you are guessing wrong.  There is a difference between Short Term Release and Short Term Support.  And is the use of Short Term Support instead of Short Term Release that is incorrect.  And no it is not semantics because accurate definition is important.
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"Once J3.1 is released, all of J3.0 support will end and users of J3.0 could be vulnerable to security issues unless they click to upgrade to J3.1."
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Not accurate because 3.0 will be supported by virtue of the fact that the 'one click upgrade' once 3.1 is released.  And all Joomla versions are "vulnerable to security issues unless they click to upgrade"
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The page I edited -- wrongly describes 3.0 as STS when it is Short Term Release and has Long Term Support by virtue of the 'one click upgrade'.
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We shall have to agree to differ on this ... and I give up on trying to explain why you are wrong.

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Joomla! 3.0 - Getting Started with Joomla! page

Hi Topazgb, thanks for contributing to the wiki page, Getting Started with Joomla!‎.

I have undone your edit twice on the part where you call Joomla! 3.0 an LTS version. Joomla! 3.0 is not an LTS version and support will end for 3.0 shortly, about April 25, 2013. Please refer to, the Joomla! Release and support cycle.

There is too much confusion already about what is and what will be supported and for how long. 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 are all STS versions with a rough 7 months of support. The 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2 versions will be working towards the 3.5 version which will be an LTS (Long Term Support) version. 3.5 is estimated to be released end of March, 2014. Thanks! -- Tom Hutchison (talk) 23:50, 10 March 2013 (CDT)



3.0, 3.1, 3.2 are Short Term Releases that have Long Term Support "support for 3.x ends in 2016." http://www.joomla.org/download.html 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 are all 3.x and therefore as support for them ends in 3 years time they are by definition LTS.

No, this is incorrect. 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2 releases will cease to be developed any further upon the release of the next STS version. The extra month is security only updates. From this point on, documentation will cease for all STS's upon the release of the next STS, for example, 3.0 documentation will become 3.1 documentation. The project will not continue to document versions of an STS once it has hit end of life. This has been an issue of great confusion because it gives those who install an STS version a sense they are up-to-date when in fact they are not once the next STS version is released. Take care --- Tom Hutchison (talk) 08:08, 11 March 2013 (CDT)
PS, I see where you are getting your information from, I'll let Nick know the page needs to be clearer, in reference to 3.x. Tom Hutchison (talk) 08:12, 11 March 2013 (CDT)

Documentation for 3.0 releases may well 'cease to be developed any further' but they will still be LTS by virtue of the fact of the one click upgrades. As stated in the other wiki page

"The 3.x series will have over 4 years of support as well. 3.0 to 3.1 to 3.5 will be one-click upgrades" http://docs.joomla.org/Joomla_3.0_FAQ

The terms Short Term Release and Long Term Support are not mutually exclusive. 3.0 is a Short Term Release which has Long Term Support.

I think you are getting caught up in the semantics of release vs. version vs. series. I've changed the wording of the page you're referencing. Short Term Release, guessing you mean Short Term Support, has also been referred to as Standard Term Support. Another confusing term to use, but the upgrade functions in administrator view call it Short Term Support, so the switch to "Short" from "Standard" was made.
The series itself will have Long Term Support but only if user upgrades from STS to STS to STS(there was an extra STS added last year) then LTS. Each individual version(release if you want), has its own support life cycle then dies. 7 months for STS versions, 27 months(maybe a bit more) for LTS versions.
To say to someone, 'Joomla! 3.0 has Long Term Support' gives users and developers the wrong information. Especially the case for the casual user because it gives a false sense of security. Once J3.1 is released, all of J3.0 support will end and users of J3.0 could be vulnerable to security issues unless they click to upgrade to J3.1. Something the user must do on their own. We are aware of the issues and confusion over STS vs LTS vs Version vs Series. Perhaps, 'The Joomla! 3.x series will have Long Term Development?' might be a better way to phrase it.
Take care -- Tom Hutchison (talk) 16:25, 11 March 2013 (CDT)

"I've changed the wording of the page you're referencing. Short Term Release, guessing you mean Short Term Support, has also been referred to as Standard Term Support"

Then you are guessing wrong. There is a difference between Short Term Release and Short Term Support. And is the use of Short Term Support instead of Short Term Release that is incorrect. And no it is not semantics because accurate definition is important.


"Once J3.1 is released, all of J3.0 support will end and users of J3.0 could be vulnerable to security issues unless they click to upgrade to J3.1."

Not accurate because 3.0 will be supported by virtue of the fact that the 'one click upgrade' once 3.1 is released. And all Joomla versions are "vulnerable to security issues unless they click to upgrade"

The page I edited -- wrongly describes 3.0 as STS when it is Short Term Release and has Long Term Support by virtue of the 'one click upgrade'.

We shall have to agree to differ on this ... and I give up on trying to explain why you are wrong.