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I have reverted your changes. With all due respect enzsure that before you alter anything protected you should read and observe the comments on the talk pages namely

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Only known users to edit anything previously agreed items on this page.


In response to youre previous message - not sure why you added on my talk page but still Beyond the cut and paste of previous editors comments. Please ask Chris Davenport for the history on this document, and if you have any concerns or questions contact the vel team as detailed to do on the vel talk page.

I posted on your talk page, because I have no way of knowing if you are watching my talk page for replies without certain installed Mediawiki extensions. Will PM you and Phil on the forum. Tom Hutchison (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2012 (CDT)

Received no PM or email to the vel list from you. Your rechanges reversed. --Mandville (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

Phil already reverted the mis-spelling, the categorisation of the page stands as is and will. Since it was for enhancement suggestions, I didn't realise the clock was ticking. I have been trying to research everything, because I wanted to address all concerns with solutions. At this point, I am probably just wasting my time and effort. Tom Hutchison (talk) 14:27, 27 October 2012 (CDT)

Security checklist 7

in reference to history entry for the checklist 7, 16:44, 13 October 2012‎ - (Removed protection from "Security Checklist/You have been hacked or defaced": hmm, don't know why this was protected, error - reset to all edit) and history

The checklist was protected as incorrect and sometimes potentially damaging edits were being made mainly to the Chmod and Cron section shell scripts of the page.

This goes back to a few pages are protected for a reason. The reason in this case for the safety of the end users site. While I would suggest this page remain protected from regular editing for reasons outlined above, Though I would feel better if the page was again protected, I will let it stay as unprotected for now unless another incident of changing or modifying the shell scripts occurs which would potentially damage or delete someones site if the modified script(s) are used before the changes can be rolled back.

Protected again to keep the content of the page from being changed. I also added the Permissions page into the series. Tom Hutchison (talk) 07:11, 29 October 2012 (CDT)

Please revert the title of the page as was. It is universally known as checklist 7.

It was and is part of the security checklists 1-6 Please also reneable full protection of the document to those previously listed - namely PhilD, myself and Lafrance. This is another previously agreed protected, nominated document.

--Mandville (talk) 17:13, 3 November 2012 (CDT)

Protection was enabled days ago, Security Checklist 7 can still be referenced, it now redirects to the page. You need to understand, documentation is changing, improving, becoming more organized for Joomla! users. Nothing is ever set in stone. Even Joomla! improves and new releases are now being done at a set pace. Tom Hutchison (talk) 17:24, 3 November 2012 (CDT)

Moving sensitive files outside the web root archive

Tom the page looks good Thanks

Barnstar and a few bits and bobs

Thankyou very much for the barnstar!! One thing I've noticed whilst doing the help screens is that when you press the help buttons in Joomla 2.5 is that there are [edit] links next to each section. But these links take you to a blank page - so is there any way we can drop the edit buttons?

Also I noticed one of the help buttons earlier today took you to the Joomla 1.6 help page instead of the 2.5 (when pressed in Joomla 2.5). It was one of the menu items - but typically as I'm writing this I've completely forgotten which - not sure how easy it will be to check up on this!

Thanks again, George

No problem! You deserved one, you've done a lot of work on the 2.5 Help Screens and other articles over the past week!
The link itself is nulled out by the proxy. The [edit] link used to be regex'd out but since the MW 1.16 to 1.19 update, something must have changed in 1.19. We are looking at that. Another thought was to use __NOSECTIONEDIT__ to remove the [edit] links from the page. Makes it harder to update them, but once the Help screen is done it should not be necessary to update them. At least not a regular task, just a bug fix or small tweak here and there.
Was the link in the pop-up window's address bar something like or just the page contained information of a 1.6 Help Screen? The first would be a bug, second is a possibility. The next version released Help screens are dumped into the new namespace and content of page links are changed to reflect the new namespace for the new release. I know there are a couple of 1.7 Help screens using pure transclusion to show the 1.6, something like:
{{:Help16:The_name_of the_1.6_HelpScreen}} is the only content so it may have just been put into the 2.5 screen.
Let me know if you can remember if it was content or address and I'll see if I can track it down.
--Thanks again! Tom Hutchison (talk) 20:42, 9 February 2013 (CST)
Found another link issue whilst trying to find that Joomla 1.6 link:
External URL page - Page takes you to: instead of the external URL page
Cheers for the information!
--Wilsonge (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2013 (CST)
Thanks George! I knew this problem existed in Joomla! 3, but didn't have a chance to check 2.5. Assumed it did. It actually is everything under, System Links in Menu selection. The other two Help Screen pages are 'red links' still, but they will have the same issue. I filed a tracker here: Tracker 30091.
I also had to filed another tracker for Module Manager - Edit - (Blank page):
  • Select Site -> Control Panel (Landing page when first logging on to administration)
  • Select Help -> Joomla Help Click link in left sidebar: 'Module Manager - Edit'
  • View a blank page, ref to source on which does not exist.
This is actually causing a 404 error, need to address this right away as it is a "Top 10" requested Help Screen page for all Help Screens. Some of the issues in 3.0 are 2.5 used a modal window and now 3.0 has an actual page. These might not be corrected till the release of 2.5.10. I'll look into it.
---Thanks again! Tom Hutchison (talk) 09:30, 10 February 2013 (CST)
Nice one with the trackers. The link was an address by the way for the 1.6. But I went through all the menu items I edited his w/e and I can't see it. So I'm not sure where it was now. Will have to go on a hunt!
Cheers! --Wilsonge (talk) 02:47, 11 February 2013 (CST)

Module and Template Development

Hi, I saw your post on my discussion page regarding the tutorials. It has always been the intention to move these articles out into the global namespace. The primary reason the tutorials currently live in my user namespace is three-fold:

1. I didn't want the code in the articles to diverge from the code in the repository as I have seen happen numerous times in other tutorials. People have a habit of updating tutorial pages and not the source code packages which ultimately create a lot of confusion. 2. I wanted to test them out for a while to rule out bugs. (I consider this phase to be completed) 3. Since the release of 2.5 I have been meaning to find the time to remove a bit of deprecated code to make it fully "2.5" compliant.

As I have not had time to perform the last step yet, they have remained in my user namespace. I also started on a basic module and template tutorial that I have not had the time to finish.

That being said, I would be happy to help maintain the tutorial code for developers as far as my time allows and this may also help me jump-start my own effort in this area. I have previously suggested adding a "joomla-tutorials" project under the "joomla" organization in GitHub but regardless of how this is deployed I think it would be a very healthy approach to the management of tutorial code.

Rvsjoen (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2013 (CST)

That's great Rvsjoen! I didn't even know you had a MVC tutorial in your user pages. I'm trying to pull together the docs, improve them and get the devs involved again. If we move them, I will mark them as incomplete so they can be checked against code on pages vs. code in zips. Something I agree with, they need to be the same and maintained as such. This is why there is interest in moving it all to GitHub. We should maintain a version specific structure. 2.5 is easy and 1.6 and 1.7 should be dropped. 3.0 is already out, but I would like to see it as 3.x because eventually it will become a LTS version 3.5. Git will also allow to see the progression of code change too. I am still working to pull this all together. Thanks so much for your interest!
--- Tom Hutchison (talk) 16:15, 11 February 2013 (CST)
The MVC tutorial in my user pages is a complete update/rewrite of the original 1.7 tutorial mostly created by Christophe, it has at some point also been reviewed by several people in the JBS. It is currently 100% up to date with the code in the zip packages as far as I know.
Also I noticed that a joomla/jdoc-examples repository has been created for this purpose on GitHub. I do not know if these two "projects" are related but if they are I would encourage whoever responsible to put a folder structure in place for storing more than just tutorials. For example something like...
  • Tutorials
    • Component
    • Module
    • Plugin
      • System plugin
      • User plugin
      • Etc..
    • Library
    • Template
  • Extensions
    • Example extension 1
    • Example extension 2
    • Etc...
  • Code snippets
    • Code snippet 1
    • Code snippet 2
    • Etc..
--- Rvsjoen (talk) 06:44, 12 February 2013 (CST)